Ahead of the release of nicoleflattery's new book 'Nothing Special,' the author talked to RachelConnoll14 about some of her obsessions: fame, ugliness (the word appears 25 times in the book), and relationships between women.
and never got any credit. It has a lot to say about art, the deranging effects of fame and celebrity culture, and what social media has done to us all, without being a book in which the characters all sit around on their computers. Because of the setting, I thought this was the perfect place to talk to Nicole about my obsession with her work, and some of her obsessions: fame, ugliness , style, and the often strained relationships between women.
FLATTERY: I was initially drawn to the idea of working on a piece of art and your name not being on it, which I read about in] is a transcriber, like the women who worked for Warhol. But then obviously, they did get an attachment to the text. And I’m interested in all that work that goes into the idea of a genius. And that’s initially where the idea came from.
FLATTERY: I hate that. And I really didn’t want the book to be positioned as a reclaiming of Warhol or a feminist text or whatever. FLATTERY: Yeah, totally. And it’s not like they’ve entered the game and lost. They just haven’t entered. It’s not like Mae went into the factory and tried to be this actress or whatever. She’s not riding on Warhol’s coattails.
FLATTERY: See, this is the other thing. People have been like, “Mae’s unlikable,” or “she’s frustrating.” But what is frustrating about her? I’m really curious. FLATTERY: I met Mary Gaitskill recently. And we were talking about unlikable characters, and she said something that was so profound in such a casual way. She was like, “I don’t know what it means to be likable.” She’s like, “I meet people who are likable by any standards all the time. They’re nice. They’re kind. And I don’t always like them.” I feel the exact same way. There is no “likable” character. I feel like I encounter these characters in fiction all the time that are exactly that.
CONNOLLY: One of my favorite lines in the book was when it’s New York in the present and she’s going to chain restaurants. She’s looking around in this restaurant and all the servers are really beautiful. And she’s like, “It was like there was nobody ugly left in New York.” And I think the book strains against that. Ugliness is celebrated because beauty is conformity.
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