Civil War Is “on the Table”: Jeff Sharlet on the Martyrdom of Ashli Babbitt and What’s to Come

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Civil War Is “on the Table”: Jeff Sharlet on the Martyrdom of Ashli Babbitt and What’s to Come
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Contributing editor JeffSharlet joins this week's VFHIVE podcast to discuss his journey into the far-right world of January 6 insurrectionists, QAnon-ers, and Trump cultists.

As somebody on the front lines of [the far-right movement], how frightening to you is the prospect of civil war?Scarier than it’s ever been. I mean, the young son of a friend, when I stopped on the way to meet a militia commander, says, “Why would you talk to a Nazi?” It’s kind of a good, sensible question. But I think I’m driven by a certain counterphobia. Ten years ago the idea of civil war in the United States was absurd.

There were no honest reporters; I was the enemy and I was in trouble. And that was terrifying. I have to say, I had never been threatened with guns at a church before in my years reporting. [Being threatened with a gun] is uncommon, but it happens.The fringe has become the center. And I think that’s sort of why it matters to me to keep looking at this stuff.

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